StocksAndFisheriesKB

Hi @luca.frosini@isti.cnr.it .

Your proposal is absolutely fine by me.

As I anticipated in #24817 we can't use the source as name for the resource because it clashes with the name of the resource generated by database_sources.

My opinion is also that using the source of the record as name confuses the user.

The initial ideas for an alternative resource name have issues:

• source + id : e.g. RAM 2109694f-17d1-3206-815d-179bc52e5ec7 but I don't really like it.
• semantic identifier to the target record. We must be sure that any record has a sematinc identifier. Unfortunately I don't find the semantic identifier of the target record https://data.d4science.org/ctlg/GRSF_Admin/2109694f-17d1-3206-815d-179bc52e5ec7
• short name: unfortunately is not so short and the resource name has a maximum length of 100 characters (of course we can cut it)

So, @marketak@ics.forth.gr @aureliano.gentile@fao.org any other ideas?

Overall I do not think we have a problem with the solution you initially proposed, because:

• in GRSF Admin VRE

  • GRSF records do not include their database sources, they only include their corresponding legacy records (e.g. https://data.d4science.org/ctlg/GRSF_Admin/6119509e-dc3c-33d9-b3d5-26c61171a500) using the name of the source
  • legacy records only include their database sources (e.g. https://data.d4science.org/ctlg/GRSF_Admin/1aa384c5-7ae5-39e2-b284-a119c63bf67f) using the name of the source

• in GRSF public VRE

  • GRSF records include only their database sources (e.g. https://data.d4science.org/ctlg/GRSF_Admin/6119509e-dc3c-33d9-b3d5-26c61171a500)
  • legacy records are not published in GRSF public VRE

So I do not see that there is a possibility of a clash there

Yannis Marketakis wrote in #note-6:

Overall I do not think we have a problem with the solution you initially proposed, because:

• in GRSF Admin VRE

  • GRSF records do not include their database sources, they only include their corresponding legacy records (e.g. https://data.d4science.org/ctlg/GRSF_Admin/6119509e-dc3c-33d9-b3d5-26c61171a500) using the name of the source
  • legacy records only include their database sources (e.g. https://data.d4science.org/ctlg/GRSF_Admin/1aa384c5-7ae5-39e2-b284-a119c63bf67f) using the name of the source

• in GRSF public VRE

  • GRSF records include only their database sources (e.g. https://data.d4science.org/ctlg/GRSF_Admin/6119509e-dc3c-33d9-b3d5-26c61171a500)
  • legacy records are not published in GRSF public VRE

So I do not see that there is a possibility of a clash there

Ok now everything is clear. So the actual code was not wrong as I thought.

So I come back to my initial request, which avoid to lookup the target Record, i.e. having the name in the JSON instead the id.

Sorry, for my confusion

I just had a call with @aureliano.gentile@fao.org and for the name of the Resource is fine having the source.

So, to summarise everything I kindly ask you if it is possible have the property refers_to as in the following example:

"refers_to" : [ {
    "name" : "RAM",
    "url" : "https://data.d4science.org/ctlg/GRSF_Admin/2109694f-17d1-3206-815d-179bc52e5ec7"
  }, {
    "name" : "FishSource",
    "url" : "https://data.d4science.org/ctlg/GRSF_Admin/c0d7d44f-71cb-3b28-9b65-ddf72c57d44f"
  }, {
    "name" : "FIRMS",
    "url" : "https://data.d4science.org/ctlg/GRSF_Admin/1b3ce0de-1ed1-3ba8-8a80-f866b287617e"
  } ]

I confirm that we will change the objects for the refers_to records to show the name of the corresponding source, instead of the catalogue id, as suggested.

"refers_to" : [ {
    "name" : "RAM",
    "url" : "https://data.d4science.org/ctlg/GRSF_Admin/2109694f-17d1-3206-815d-179bc52e5ec7"
  }, {
    "name" : "FishSource",
    "url" : "https://data.d4science.org/ctlg/GRSF_Admin/c0d7d44f-71cb-3b28-9b65-ddf72c57d44f"
  }, {
    "name" : "FIRMS",
    "url" : "https://data.d4science.org/ctlg/GRSF_Admin/1b3ce0de-1ed1-3ba8-8a80-f866b287617e"
  } ]

@marketak@ics.forth.gr @aureliano.gentile@fao.org Which String will you use for FAO SDG 14.4.1 Questionnaire referred record?
Even if there are not yet, maybe they can be in the future right?

@aureliano.gentile@fao.org do you want to align the name of the resource with the name used for Database Source see #24817 i.e.

• "FishSource",
• "Fisheries and Resources Monitoring System (FIRMS)",
• "RAM Legacy Stock Assessment Database",
• "FAO SDG 14.4.1 Questionnaire"

or do you want to keep the short name/acronym?

Sorry, I do not understand where this will be displayed in the catalogue. Can you help me please?

See

https://data.d4science.org/ctlg/GRSF_Admin/cb468fb0-fed5-370f-9bc6-08fa99c54f3c

Thanks Luca, we spoke and agreed to adopt all names in full both in "database_sources" and in "refers_to".